Interview transcript – Project Camelot January 2010
If you haven’t read part I, you can read it here.
B: Now somebody reading this will ask: Okay, so this is what they were discussing in 2005. How can you know that this plan is still on track, that things haven’t changed radically, that they haven’t abandoned it completely, that there hasn’t been some big U-turn or epiphany here? What makes you so certain that this is still on track?
W: Because of the events that have taken place since 2005. I think that’s probably the most coherent way to look at it. We’ve already had a so-called financial collapse. It wasn’t a collapse at all. It was a centralization of financial power. That’s happened. It’s certainly happened in the United States. It’s most certainly happened in the United Kingdom. It’s most certainly happened in France and in Germany. So all the key players in the Western world centralized their financial assets.
B: Was this talked about in the meeting?
W: Yes! It took up quite a large part of that meeting about how it was going to happen. Bear in mind where the meeting took place – in the City of London. The City is the financial hub of the world, beyond any question.
B: So what you’re saying then is that all of these things have happened according to their roll-out of this plan.
W: That’s right – and all the preparations that need to be in place before this type of conflict takes place, that’s already been put in place too.
B: Such as what? What are you referring to?
W: Well you’re talking about key figures taking over. Let’s take a good example here and this is one that probably most people in the United Kingdom are unaware of, is that the British private security industry employs somewhere in the region of 500,000 people, which is far more than the UK military. The UK military is far smaller than that. The UK military is only a couple of hundred thousand. You’re talking 500,000 people working in private security industry at the moment.
Now prior to 2005, there was no regulation for that. There was no training for them. There was no unification of that force of people. And behind the scenes – and this is something people should be able to be aware of, especially living in the UK – there was the 2001 Private Security Industry Act.
Now, that act meant that anybody working within the private sector had to undergo certain training. They also had to be police-checked. It makes a kind of civilian sense for people who are working in areas of such security responsibility should be police-checked.
These police checks… everything gets found out. It’s not just if you’ve committed a crime or not. Believe me, you can find out far much more about that individual through a police check.
And then there’s training. This training is all about managing conflict: what to do in times of conflict, how to manage it, how to control it. And then they’re taught how to use controlled force. It extends from there.
B: So you’re talking about handling problems of civil unrest and so on. This is all a setup for that.
W: Indeed. You can take the protests that took place after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, here in the United Kingdom and in Western Europe and also in the States, but mostly in Western Europe. It was almost like a mass uprising against the war in Iraq. That won’t be repeated again. It won’t be.
But the people in this industry need to be lawfully empowered in order to do their job because they’ll still be working protecting assets, so they’ll still be doing their job. And at the moment as we speak the Security Industry Association is seeking and receiving more powers on top of the powers that they’ve already been given. They’ve already been licensed to operate legally within the civilian environment. Now they’re getting the additional police powers they need.
It’s not just for those in the British security industry; it’s also those who are called “civilian enforcement officers”: parking attendants, that sort of thing; community police officers; those who are aiding the police in order for them to do their job, they’re getting powers commensurate with the responsibilities that’s required to enable them to do the job effectively. So we’re talking about powers of arrest; powers of detention; we’re talking down those lines. And that’s going to happen.
B: Is this happening in other Western countries as well, do you know?
W: Well, it’s already occurred in other Western countries, places like France and Germany, where you’ve got several police forces working together. You don’t have one police force, as it were, that you could identify and say: Well, they’re the police. They’ve got other agencies and they all carry similar powers.
But those powers within the UK security industry just do not exist at the moment. They already exist in the United States and it’s a United States model that’s principally being used here.
B: Okay. Now, before you got into those details, we were talking about the timeline — and I was asking you about what was your response to somebody who wanted to know how you could be so sure this was more or less on track, even though the meeting you attended was four years ago.
W: Almost five years ago now.
B: Almost five. Yes.
W: Yes. All I can say, Bill, is that just take on board what I’ve mentioned, and if it does ring any bells with anyone – the veracity of what’s said can then be checked by themselves if they wish to do so.
W: Not everything’s hidden. They can’t possibly hide everything, and then they can put the pieces of the puzzle together themselves and then they’ll find out that it’s quite credible.
B: Yes. I have to admit, it is very credible, which is very sobering. Right at the start of our conversation, you said that… this is my paraphrase… you said that this was a race against time from their point of view. Why?
W: There’s lots of things going to be happening within the next few years and it’s all to do with power. Some of it, I don’t fully understand myself, to be honest with you. But from what I do understand, there is quite a lot of power-brokering going on, and it’s principally that those who have been in control of most of society for not just hundreds of years, but for thousands of years, wish that control to continue.
And in order to do that, a sequence of events has to be manufactured in order for that to happen. What I’ve just described to you is probably the first part.
So we’re going to head into this war, then after that… and I can’t give you a timescale for when this is going to happen… there will be a geophysical event taking place on Earth which is going to affect everybody.
Now, by that time we will all have been through a nuclear and biological war. The Earth’s population, if this happens, will be drastically reduced. When this geophysical event is going to take place, then those remaining will probably be halved again. And who survives that is going to determine who takes the world and its surviving population into the next era.
So we are talking about a post-cataclysmic-event era. Who’s going to be in charge? Who’s going to be control? So it’s all about that. And that’s why they’re so desperate for these things to happen within a set timeframe. Otherwise they’ll lose out.
B: Okay. Let me play devil’s advocate here, and talk to me from your standpoint of having quite a lot of in-depth military experience and familiarly with military thinking. Why is the war and the establishment of the totalitarian government, and the atmosphere of fear, and so on and so forth, why is all that needed if there is going to be a major geophysical event, as you put it, which would further disrupt infrastructure, result in a lot of deaths, result in all manner of emergencies all over the world, earthquakes, tsunamis, goodness knows what. That alone would justify martial law in most countries and states of emergency and those same factions could easily justify assuming power in that kind of an emergency. Why is the war part of this scenario? I don’t understand that.
W: I think you have to look at it from a different point of view. After a cataclysmic event, there will be little or no structure. And if there’s no structure, that means a structure has to be put back in place.
A structure needs to be in place before that happens with some sort of certainty that it will survive what’s going to come – so that it can land on both feet the day after, and then remain in power and have the power that it’s enjoyed previously.
B: So, it’s a justification for strengthening the critical parts of the infrastructure actually in preparation for the cataclysm which in routine civilian times might not be so strong. This is what you’re saying?
W: Indeed. And I’m going into an area where I can only give subjective views the same as any other person could, but the feeling, and it’s a very intuitive one, is that they’ve got to get their act together now. They’ve got to get their powerbase properly in place. And the only way they’re going to do that is to create the circumstances for that to happen, i.e., a conflict.
And we can all look back through history. Every war has achieved an aim. Besides the suffering, the human suffering that goes on, it’s always achieved an aim. And the aim is always on the side of the victor.
So, we’re looking at this totalitarian regime, which I believe is already totalitarian anyway. I mean, we do not have a democracy at all. Nobody’s got a say. This has already been decided over and above anybody.
We don’t matter, as it were. We really don’t matter. They matter, and their power matters, and that’s the only thing that’s being thought about it. And I believe if you tapped into the mindset of someone who operates in that type of way, you’d understand what they’re going to do and why they’re doing it and why they want to control the endgame and be in power at the end of it, intact, because this geophysical event is going to be survivable.
B: Do you have any indications when this is? This implies, from what you’re saying, that they’re kind of expecting something to happen in 2012. Is this a 2012 event?
W: No, this isn’t really centered around 21st December, 2012. I don’t know what’s going to happen on 21st December, 2012.
I’ve got strong suspicions that it’s going to be something else, maybe something nice for everybody. I really don’t know. But certainly around that time we’re going to be in a conflict that’s going to take as long as it takes. But we’re talking about some years after 2012 when this geophysical event is going to take place. I’ve judged that to be in my lifetime.
B: Okay. So let me feed this back to you, this roll-out of events you describe: the nuclear exchange and the ceasefire, and then the use of biological weapons… what you’re saying is that this is going to result in such chaos actually that it will take a generation of humanity to rebuild all of that. And during all of that time there will have to be some kind of a heavy totalitarian infrastructure in order to cope with this on-going emergency and re-build. And then sometime in there, there’s going to be this major geophysical event, but they’re got to get started as soon as possible. Is that right?
W: That’s correct. That’s right.
B: Do you think that they know when this is happening? Or do you think they think it’s just happening “sometime”?
W: Yes. I think they’ve got a good idea of when it’s going to happen. I don’t know when that is. However, I’ve got this very strong feeling that it’s going to happen in my lifetime, say within 20 years. You could probably bring that back even further — between now and ten years; between now and five years.
W: You know, I really don’t know. I wish did know. It’s something that I’d love to know, but we’ve now entered into that period where this geophysical event is about to take place, when we consider the length of time that’s passed since the last one which happened about 11,500 years ago, and it happens round about 11,500 years, cyclically. It’s now due to happen again.
W: To what degree it’s going to affect the world, one can only imagine, and I’m sure there’s contingency plans in place right now for that event to happen because I believe that is widely known within these circles.
They understand it’s going to happen. They have a certainty of knowledge that it’s going to happen. They may have a timeframe, and it appears likely that they have. Again, it’s one of these things — it would be inconceivable if they didn’t know. I mean, the best brains in the world will be working for them on this. You know? And they know all about it, and personally, I don’t.
B: Was this talked about in your meeting at all?
W: No, it wasn’t openly spoken about. Let me summarize what was discussed at the meeting:
Iran will be attacked, possibly within 18 months. China will come to the aid of Iran, to protect its own interests. Nuclear weapons will be used either by Iran or China, with Israel provoking the first use. Much of the Middle East will be laid to waste. Millions will die within a very short period of time. And for some reason this is here, and I can’t tell you why: China will move forcibly into parts of Russia to extend ceasefire lines. Thereafter, biological weapons will be deployed against China. China will “catch a cold”.
And my own understanding is that there’s some sort of malevolent ET alliance at work for 50 years by the UK and US and other Western powers, and this includes Japan.
And, again, when we talk about a malevolent ET alliance that’s in the context of black projects, and this is an exchange of technologies that’s been going on for some considerable time. So there is an involvement there, and that involvement I can’t fully explain myself.
And I also understand that there are more humanitarian and altruistic ET entities working against this timeline and are somehow maintaining a precarious balance without taking any direct intervention themselves. And again, I can’t fully explain that but it’s a certain intuitive feeling that this is working and there’s other aspects of my experience that’s led me to make that statement – but that’s another story.
So what we’re talking about is the Western powers seeking a ‘perfect war’ – doing so throughout the 20th century right up till the present day, because this timeline goes way back. So we’re talking decades or hundreds of years of time where this timeline has been in use.
And also I think it’s quite important to associate the timeline with its other reference which I’ve heard several times now: it’s called THE ANGLO-SAXON MISSION. I feel that’s important to add because that may ring some bells with some people as I don’t think it’s been mentioned before.
B: I’ve heard that phrase before. I don’t want to digress here, but the flag which I’ve got against that – and actually which I’m really starting to understand and it’s as chilling as it gets, from what you’re saying – that the reason why it’s called The Anglo-Saxon Missionis because basically the plan is to wipe out the Chinese so that after the cataclysm and when things are rebuilt, it will be the Anglo-Saxons who are in a position to rebuild and inherit the new Earth, with no one else around. Is that right?
W: Whether that’s right I really don’t know, but I would agree with you. Through the 20th century at least, and even before into the 19th and 18th centuries, the history of this world has been predominantly been run from the West and from the Northern region on the planet. Others have tried but failed.
And it’s safe to say that World War One and World War Two were manufactured wars. I’m quite sure of that. And they were used as stepping-stones to get to where they are now. Any historian will tell you that if that didn’t happen, this wouldn’t have happened. We wouldn’t have had the United Nations; we wouldn’t have had the United States of America becoming a superpower in such a short period of time. They became a superpower within four years of war. And they ended up with nuclear weapons.
People, I feel, have got to bring this to into their own personal agendas. The West becoming the predominant force in the world is there. It’s beyond question.
B: Retrospectively looking back on it, you can see a sort of long-term strategy that extends over a number of generations even though one couldn’t see the wood for the trees at the time.
W: That’s the nature of people – really. You know, we just live our own lives with those of our families and those close to us and do the best we can. It’s not very often that we stick our heads above the parapet and have a good look around to see what’s reallyhappening. We’re not very good at doing that, I’m afraid.
I’m a good example. I’ve been involved in so many things, I’ve just got my head down and just got on with what I was doing, ignoring what was going on, possibly subconsciously denying what was happening until I really had to say something about it.
B: Yes. Just on a personal note, it must be quite hard living with this personal experience that you’ve had of being party to these conversations and knowing that this isn’t just some fantasy because you heard these people talking about this, laughing about it.
W: Well, it was quite informal. I mean, they were very comfortable talking about this.
How can I describe the people who I’m talking about better? The people who I’m talking about are people who exude power. They elicit fear. They demand obedience and by God do they get it! And by the way they talk they’re dictating to the so-called elected governments that we’ve got in Parliament or in Washington or in Berlin or in Paris. These people exude that kind of power, and beyond that what can I say?
I’m sure other people have come across characters like that in their lives. There’s not a compassionate bone in their body. They do not resonate any spiritual warmth whatsoever. They’re cold, they’re calculating. To use a phrase that’s common here, “butter wouldn’t melt in their mouth”.
B: A lot of people out there speculate that at some level, maybe not at the level of the people who you were meeting with in the room, but at some level, in this behind-the-scenes government that is orchestrating this entire plan, lies a non-human intelligence.
And one of the arguments for that is that it takes an enormous amount of long-term thinking, strategic cunning, to plan going over many generations, which is the result of an extremely high intelligence just to play this chess game on such an enormous scale. So some people, myself included, suggest that this must be a non-human intelligence that’s behind this.
W: Yes. And my perception is that this intelligence is incredibly logical, without any empathy, without any love, care, understanding or compassion. They’re cold and calculating and logical beyond any logic that we could muster normally. They go well beyond that — they’re such supremely intelligent people. These are people who can produce answers to really difficult questions without blinking an eye. They are very, very bright people, but bright only in the sense that their logic is extraordinary.
B: What can ordinary people do? How should they react? How should they think? Do you personally feel that this is inevitable? Do you think we’re all doomed in some way?
W: No, absolutely not. I’ve often thought about this, Bill, and this of course is a personal view: We will endure. But to endure, from one person to the next, is not to work for them anymore. It’s to stop working for them. It’s not to react violently against them because they’ll win. They would love that to happen, then it gives them an excuse. They breed on fear and violence – the reaction from fear. That would be like bees to honey for them. They would love that to happen.
What’s needed is non-violent reaction: simply just not doing the job for them any more. To give a comparison, Bill. There was a man who history has largely ignored. He was a Frenchman, by the name of Jean Juarès. It’s always surprised me why this incredible character has never entered the history books. He’s quite well known in France in some circles, but not widely known.
He predicted the First World War happening. He wanted the International Workers’ Movement to not comply with the royal families and aristocracy, and when you read about him you’ll find this out yourself. Just a couple of months before the outbreak, when the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand took place in Serbia, Juares was assassinated in a French café. They killed him. He was shot dead, and with him went that movement.
Prior to World War One, he saw the writing on the wall. He saw the aristocracies and the royal families of Europe pitting themselves against one another, in a big battle. He knew that France and Germany, the United Kingdom were all industrialized nations. He further realized that being industrialized, the next war will be an industrial war where millions of people might be killed.
He formed a movement which some have termed as communist. It was the International Workers Movement, and it’s got nothing to do with politics. His idea was for the ordinary person not to do anything, not to go to war, just stay at home and they wouldn’t have the war they wanted.
I personally believe that if non-violence is adopted and people become more awake to what’s happening, then these people very, very quickly lose the power that they’ve got. They feed on power. They feed on fear. So if you take these elements away from them they become powerless. They need us to do what they’re doing. They can’t do it on their own even though they’ll be damn dangerous in any event, but they can’t do it all on their own.
And that would be my message is just to wake up a bit, see what’s happening about us, put our heads above the parapet and without fearing to do that, without feeling afraid, take a deep breath, have a look around, see what’s happening, and then people will soon realize: Oh yeah. Okay. This is where we’re gonna go. This is where we’re heading and there’s not much I can do about it. But they can!
As I’ve said, it’s not to react violently. And if people are in positions where these people need them, just don’t work for them. Just stop working for them. Take your labor away because they need the troops who are going to do this work. We’re not just talking about people in the military. We’re talking about every civilian member in all the populations right across the globe. Just say: No, because this not us. This is not what we want to do.
And it’s making that choice. It sounds ridiculously simple. I think the execution of it is that simple and it’s well within our power as human beings, conscious living, breathing, human beings who have a shared compassion for one another to do that. Because if we don’t, they’ll carry on and then they’ll realize their endgame.
B: Do you think, from your own military experience, that there are enough people in the military who are saying: You know what? I didn’t sign up for this. I’m not going to do this. Or do you think that they’ll buy into all the justifications that are being set up at the moment?
W: Well, by and large the Western military is not a conscripted army. It’s a professional army, and it prides itself on its professionalism. It prides itself on acting on behalf of the people who elected the government who sent them out to do the job that they’re doing. It’s a very difficult question to answer. And of course, these troops are superbly trained and they believe, they wholly believe, as I did when I was in the military, that you’re doing the job for all the right reasons.
If it became clear to people who are in such professions — this is not just the military; we’re talking about the emergency services, the police, all those who’ve made their way into the security industry, we’re talking about all these people. If enough voices were heard, then those in the military who have not achieved any significant rank, who have no particular stake in the game, will then wake up themselves just as soon as anybody else.
But it’s got to be borne in mind that the Western powers have professional military services, and it’s a difficult thing to do to make it clear and let these guys and girls know that they’re not fighting the right people.
B: Sure. Let me ask a different question. Was there reference to “safe or safer places to be”? Physically, I mean.
W: No. None at all.
B: Nothing like the southern hemisphere is okay, the northern hemisphere is going to be a problem? Nothing like that?
W: No, not at that meeting. That wasn’t mentioned at all.
B: There are many people, of course, who do have access to the same information you do. This is something that is known by thousands of people in finance and the military and politics. It’s widely known. It’s a very small proportion of the world’s population, but it’s still very widely known.
W: Absolutely. Yes.
B; And something that we’ve always encouraged, and we say it again here, is that we encourage anyone who has experienced it first-hand or even at second-hand, any aspect of this, to please step forward and know that there’s safety in numbers. Know that the more people who break ranks and have the courage that you have to speak out, the more will be heard, the more will be understood, and the whole thing will be like a gradually rolling snowball. The snowball is rolling. It’s quite small, but it is rolling.
W: Oh, it is. It is. There’ll come a time where names will be named if there’s enough public support, and we will demand answers from those people.
So when enough fruit from the tree of evidence comes off, then these people can be properly challenged, and then we can see a far different story, you know, emerge from the one that people like myself are giving you. It’ll become more real, far more real. We can do that. We can take people to task.
B: Okay. All right. This is very, very important. I want to close by saying: thank you for your courage, and thank you for your spirit.
W: Thank you very much, too, Bill.
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